Re: on a causal theory of PD

[charlotte A mancuso <mancann@xxxxxxxx>]

you write:

 "If one's heart is beating like a metronome it is an indicator of a
serious
disease.
The same we can see in the case of tremor. Normal spectral curves of the
tremor have a wide spectrum. ...
  The fact that in the case of the PD the spectral curves of the resting
tremor demonstrate a sharp peak at 5 Hz together with sharp harmonics at
10
and 20 Hz clearly says: there is something very special. Just in temporal
processes. Being a resonance of a mysterious origin."

Unless I'm very much mistaken, tremor is abnormal with any rhythm.

Charlotte

On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:56:42 +0000 Vello Reeben
<vello_reeben@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> Hello Paul,
>
> you write
>
>
> P.L.:>At first I thought the 'causal theory' thread was someone
> having
>  >fun...but over time it is becoming clear (hah!) that its proponent
> is
>  >serious about the theory...or extraordinarily serious about
> pulling >our
> legs. In the former case, I would suggest trying to make the point
> >without
> esoteric formulas and theorem names.
> ........
> >  With all this in my background, I HAVE NOT THE VAGUEST CONCEPT
> ABOUT
> >WHICH THIS MAN SPEAKS.
>
> V.R.:  Well, as I have written already, in my first mail I tried to
> present
> the SPECIFIC CORE of a new hypothesis on the genesis of PD based on
> a
> rhythms-based approach. I am sorry that the specific language needed
> for
> that made difficult to catch the main idea.
>
>   Actually the MAIN IDEA is not complicated at all: all the normal
> physiological processes are rhythmical, in digestive system, in
> circulatory
> system, in nervous system. Our heart beats rhythmically, we breathe
> rhythmically.
>   By means of various scientific instruments we can record the
> oscillating
> TIME SEQUENCIES in all these parameters, computers and mathematical
> algorithms allow us to find out whether there exist certain
> PERIODICALLY
> REPEATING EVENTS in them. The latter mentioned events are called
> RHYTHMS or
> CYCLES or PERIODS (or REAL DURATIONS by Henri Bergson) or with a
> predicative
> also as WAVES (the EEG alpha-wave).
>   The information about rhythms is presented as full SPECTRAL CURVES
> in
> co-ordinates intensity-time or intensity-frequency, or, as usually
> in
> medicine, as simplified BAR CURVES or numerical BAR DATA showing us
> how
> many EEG waves fall into a typical alpha zone, beta zone etc.
> If an event repeats in a way as the metronome beats the spectral
> curve
> will show us only a narrow peak. It shows then that there is a sharp
> resonance in the system.
>   In normal physiology all the rhythms are interlinked with each
> other and modulate each other so that any sharp resonance is not
> seen.
>   If one's heart is beating like a metronome it is an indicator of a
> serious
> disease.
> The same we can see in the case of tremor. Normal spectral curves of
> the
> tremor have a wide spectrum. Only in the case of a strong fatigue,
> like it
> is noticed in overtired pilots and drivers case, one can see a sharp
> tremor
> spectrum and that for a short time.
>   The fact that in the case of the PD the spectral curves of the
> resting
> tremor demonstrate a sharp peak at 5 Hz together with sharp
> harmonics at 10
> and 20 Hz clearly says: there is something very special. Just in
> temporal
> processes. Being a resonance of a mysterious origin.
>   So we have real reasons to think that just a rhythm-based approach
> is
> adequate for a study of this special phenomenon.
>
>   Thus, general aspects of the core of the present causal theory can
> easily
> be described.
>
>       However, the next step needs already some digging into our NEW
> GENERAL theory of natural rhythms.
>       Here we have to tell you that our turn to a theory of the
> genesis of
> the Parkinson's disease did not appear on an empty place, has not
> been
> accidental:
> - our biophysical lab has a 40 years experience in the study of
> various
> physiological rhythms, especially circulatory rhythms,
> - in our desire to understand the biophysical mechanisms of human
> physiological rhythms we discovered that they well fit into the
> great
> system of environmental, climatic, astronomic rhythms which all
> happened
> to be tied with the GALACTIC YEAR,
> - we discovered that a great part of all the rhythms discovered in
> variuos sciences up to now can be described as SPECIAL INTEGER parts
> of
> the galactic year T(0),
> - we discovered that an integer part of the galactic year T(0)/N
> obtains a
> status of an essential natural rhythm in the case
>   1) when it enables MAXIMAL TIES with all the other such integer
> parts,
> when it can go into the "green versatile highway" of the evolution,
> mathematically when N is a highly composite number by Ramanujan
> (h.c.n); a
> nice example for understanding this criterion of informational
> optimum is a
> timetable of city buses: when the full period of circulation is a
> Ramanujan
> number (in minutes) we have maximum number of versions to regulate
> the
> frequency of traffic by means of the number of buses on line keeping
> all the
> time a convenient full-minute timetable; BTW, we have got from our
> ancestors
> just such system of time: 12, 24, 60, 360, in Plato's ideal town was
> just
> 5040 inhabitants;
>   2) when this ramanujanian N is at the same time a near-quadratic
> number (N
> = a^2 +- epsilon);  this criterion is the same as in
> Balmer-Rydberg-Bohr
> theory of the spectral lines of the hydrogen atom; there are only
> two N=a^2
> type Ramanujan numbers (4, 36) and only eight
> N=a^2-1 type numbers; all of them give us important natural rhythms;
> the
> domain number of PD-rhythms we are pointing to is also a N=a^2-1
> number but
> with a deviation from the Ramanujan optimum 2.65 times,
> - in our attempts to understand the nature of the 11 sec rhythm of
> blood
> pressure and of vasomotor system, putting question why it is so
> different
> from the heart rate rhythm and its variations, we paid attention to
> such
> GROUPS of natural rhythms which are described by h.c.n.-s with
> general
> highest prime divisor p(max); it appears that the main physiological
> rhythms
> of mammals are described by the following six groups of h.c.n.-s
> where the
> N(19), N(23) and N(31) groups give us CLOSE-SYSTEM (mathematically
> imaginary) rhythms connected with compact structures (heart,
> lung,..) and
> N(29), N(37) and N(41) groups give us OPEN-SYSTEM (mathematically
> real)
> rhythms connected with distributed structures (arterioles,
> erythrocytes,
> neurons); these ideal ramanujanian rhythm groups are in the
> following range
> of time:
>
>       N(19) - Im:   107 d    -  6.13 h    temperature, metabolism
>       N(23) - Im:   1.17 d   -  4.00 min  digestive tract
>       N(29) - Re:   11.6 min -  8.27 s    vasomotor system
>       N(31) - Im:   22.4 s   -  11.2 Hz   heart, breathing
>       N(37) - Re:   11.6 Hz  -  1390 Hz   brain, phonetics, music
>       N(41) - Re:   474 Hz   -  56.8 kHz  phonetics, music
>
>       Physiological tremor is connected with N(37) brain waves but
> the
> PD-rhythms belong to the N(31) group of CLOSED-SYSTEM rhythms! Just
> that
> circumstance is important in understanding such facts that the
> PD-rhythms
> form in a LOCAL area of the brain CLOSED zones with a continuous
> irritation,
> that they create a phenomenon of movement freezing, a need for a
> threshold
> overcoming, in various muscles a phenomenon of (closed) rigidity.
>
>   The phenomenon of bradykinesia, of movement slowness is understood
> in our
> model so: at the beginning the quantum jump to alien rhythm happens
> at EEG
> theta wave, then the resting tremor is the main symptom of PD, at
> this
> frequency the deviation of the PD-rhythm from the optimum is 3.69
> times.
>   Now look, the most less deviation, 2.39 times,  has a NINE TIMES
> slower
> PD-rhythm which has a period 1.56 sec instead of 5.76 Hz. Thus, in
> the
> course of time it is energetically  useful to overcome to this slow
> rhythm.
>   The phenomenon of handwriting change, at first still clear but
> very small,
> is understood so: normally the handwriting is learned under the
> quadratic
> rhythms (as in handwriting the main figure is an ellipse together
> with its
> translation shifts) which are connected with the quantum prime
> dividers 2^n.
> After the quantum jump there appear smaller sub-rhythms of the 2^n
> type
> which seem to cause such a very peculiar phenomenon.
>
> Vello Reeben
>
> >From: Paul Lauer <PHL1037@xxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
> ><PARKINSN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: PARKINSN@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: on a causal theory of PD
> >Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:45:22 EDT
> >
> >I believe at the time I defended Jan Abas' theories with the
> admonition to
> >the naysayers that whatever works for him is great whether real or
> >imagined.
> >But to call it or its tenets 'science' and clothe it in an
> unintelligible
> >litany of scientific sounding claptrap disguised with and wrapped
> around
> >terms which are equated with magic (I had to search google for some
> of
> >them).
> >
> >At first I thought the 'causal theory' thread was someone having
> >fun...but
> >over time it is becoming clear (hah!) that its proponent is
> >serious about
> >the theory...or extraordinarily serious about pulling >our legs. In
> the
> >former case, I would suggest trying to make the point >without
> esoteric
> >formulas and theorem names. This is a PD list and not >a seminar in
> >Gaussian mathematics (I used that term because it sprang >to mind.
> I'm sure
> >it's not applicable to the proponent's argument but >for me it is
> equally
> >obscure). I am reasonably literate. I have a BSCE >in Civil
> Engineering, a
> >license to practice >Professional Engineering >in NY and CT, an MBA
> and I
> >am AbD (academic joke lingo for a PhD "all >but dissertation"
> meaning
> >really that the PhD was never completed). I >read the New York
> Times and
> >Wall Street Journal daily. OK, so
> >not cover to cover but enough to consider myself reasonably well
> >informed
> >as a result. I am a graduate of the US Army Command and >General
> Staff
> >College,The National Defense University Security >Management
> Course, The
> >Army War College (like getting a PhD in War >Management) and a
> member of
> >the Beta Gamma Sigma Honor Society. A >Million years ago I was a
> childhood
> >member of Mensa, I used to play >chess with three people
> simultaneously at
> >Cafe Rienzi in Greenwich >Village until three in the morning and
> then go
> >play rubber bridge
> >for three cents a point which in the 1960s was an expensive game.
> With >all
> >this in my background, I HAVE NOT THE VAGUEST CONCEPT ABOUT WHICH
> >THIS MAN
> >SPEAKS.
> >
> >Paul h. Lauer
> >
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